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To Whom Shall We Go? (John 6:67-69/ Luke 14:26-33)

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To Whom Shall We Go?

Joh_6:67  Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Joh 6:68  Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Joh 6:69  And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

Many years ago I found my self doubting how that I might know who was a true Christian.
I’ve known so many over the years who had a proclaimed conversion, got baptized, said they desired to live a better life, they went on for a while, some for decades and then they simply got off the path they were on and went another way.

First, I would say, ‘Well they have just developed a different understanding of Scripture’, and while as a friend and minister I would advised against such a departure intellectually, they would continue ardently with a face pointing in the direction they want to go and they followed in that new path. A Path which often time showed that it was not guided by the scripture at all, but by another desire for another life, and guided by the principles of humanism.

This led me to begin to as the question, ‘who is truly a Christian?’ And more specifically today to ask with you ‘Who is truly a disciple’.

First knw this, it is not wise nor prudent to judge another’s salvation unto eternal life, that is the question “will they be saved?”, I’ll be blunt- I just can’t care about that too much, that is God’s concern and his sole prerogative.

The question, “Who is truly a Christian?”, is rather asking, ‘ how do I know that at this moment I am speaking to one who knows the precious nature of the Word of God?’ How do I know I am talking with one who has a Spiritual Calling of Grace through Faith upon their life?’, ‘Who is one who has a total faith in the bible for every area of life, verses one who is simply a lip service christian?
And so what I am really after, is “How to know one is a disciple?”

“Who is truly a disciple? and how can I know?”

Now, the first thing I want to point out is that in wanting to know who is a disciple, I want to know is, ‘who seeks after God, who hearkens, who listens, and who thirsts for the discipline of God upon their life here and now and eternal?

The answer is, that while you can never predict at an early moment who will go apostate, or cut  them selves’ off from Christ and his Gospel, and His Word that supplies the facts of those truths of salvation vs. reprobation, as well as a clear direction to walk in in this life.

There are various answers I can give to answer that question biblically as to how can I know, who is truly a Christian, but in answering the question Who is truly a disciple that as well is answered.

The text which we read above which is the most conclusive and clear as it contains all the other answers one can arrive at is, as phrased by Simon Peter as a question to the Lord Jesus’ question to the whole of the 12:
Will ye also go away? 
Which he asked when all these other so-called disciples left Christ and walked in another direction from His Word which he clearly taught, as He said to all who were gathered:

Joh 6:65  “… no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.”and we are told that:

Joh 6:66  From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Joh 6:67  Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

Joh_6:68  Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Joh 6:69  And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

There is a simple truth found here that is so simple to understand on the surface, but so deep under the surface, and that is this very simply: Men who come unto Christ who are given this unto them by God the Father, always when faced with the temptation to go apostate, to go away respond with the Spirit’s Word of Peter:

“Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.  And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Jesus backing his own teaching up in response says that even one of you that I chose and called a disciple, who stood there shaking his head while Peter answered for him and the other 10 as “WE”:
“to whom shall we go”… “we believe and are sure”, Jesus teaches that Judas is a devil.

This is a profound and stifling statement in as it must be contrasted with “… no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.” as Judas, yet o be known as thee traitor is there and has come to Jesus.

Here is the point, lip service and being ‘there’ isn’t enough, being in the presence before Jesus, the Word made flesh at that time IS NOT enough.

Everything we know about Judas as he was ‘called of Christ’, as he walked with Christ, he heard the word of Christ.
Do you not think that Judas’ conscience was beaten by the words of Christ’s teaching concerning covetous and lust and theft? Or consider that Judas stood there shaking his head and agreeing with Peter in this instance as Peter includes him in the “WE”:
Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.  And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. 

How sad it is that the hard heart and conscience of a man who is called through the senses of the ear and eye finds the life of a Christian a good choice but only for their own benefit!
This is a call of unprofitable flesh, as opposed to the call of the Comforters Spirit as used by the Father.
The Spirit’s calling is personal and devoted and desirous of the Word of God, with a quickened spirit, an acknowledgment of unrepeatable flesh, and a full assurance of life and eternal life in the Spiritual word of God:

Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 6:64  But there are some of you that believe not.

And therein is the difference between the other Apostles and disciples and the Judas, as well as the lesser disciples which followed Jesus the Word of God and Him made flesh just up until this point.

The question which is certainly the true disposition and resolve of the Christian personally, spiritually quickened and disposed thereto “Lord, to whom shall I go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And I believe and am sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”

While we may collectively say “we” with other who have this same confession, we never can speak for them, for such words are only truly uttered in Spirit and not in voice or recital only, no but “the spirit quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words of Christ who is the Word of God speaks unto us, for they are spirit, and they are our life.” they are our profession of life unto eternal life.

To whom shall shall we go other than He?
To what other words will we go that we will find eternal life?
Who else should we believe?
Of who else are we sure?

Christ, the Son of the living God is the only source for all these things.
He who bodily as a man represents the body of the Work of God’s Word.

And so it is, upon the first layer of this surface we see Jesus who is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, who alone possesses the Word’s of Eternal Life.
He is the teacher of the spoken word and substance of the very Word / Logos logic of God, we find that one who is a true disciple is even before he is desiring the discipline of Christ, we see the disciple seeking to know and desiring the Word of Eternal life and not only desiring it but know what it has done already and what it has power to continue to do and all that discipline is answered and offered in Jesus through the Words of Scripture, through the Word’s of Eternal life.

Yes, in this text the rhema or the spoken word, the heard word is in the focus. In other words what Peter is showing us from the thoughts and heart of a disciple is a desire to hear with the ear and receive with the heart, contemplating what has been heard concerning the logic of Jesus Christ- who we know is not merely the Rhema of God, though he is that, but he is the Logos, the Logical internal substance and essence of God as well.
And it is here conveyed by Peter, that He understands that it is to Christ alone one must come and sit to be taught the teachings that disciples the path of eternal life and of the living God.

The disciple wants to hear and continue hearing the Word of Eternal life!

It is not good enough to have heard the teaching on eternal life for the disciple, though he or she has heard it.
It is not good enough to be hearing the word of Eternal life at present, though they hear it at present.
It is not good enough to want to hear it in the future, though they are resolved to hear it in the future.
Rather, consider this Logic of Jesus Christ, you must be nourished by it!

Mat 4:4  Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 

Here is Life, the Rhama, hearing Life and nourishing life from the mouth of God.

and listen again what the Lord said to those who confessed the Faith in Christ:

Joh 8:31-32  Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

And even though these ‘believed’, it was not that true Faith, which was the true bread which has come down from heaven that gives everlasting life, by nourishment for spiritually and physically life, sadly- these Jews who ‘believed’ could believe with the ear and the eye, but they could not be abide the nourishment and be sustained and continue unto the knowledge of the truth that sets free by Faith in the WORD, true faith in the Son.

And so, to the same group who believed Jesus said:
Joh 8:40  …now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God…

Oh the council of the Rhema of God, it is great and high in it’s discipline, but if one does not Continue unto the Logos Word, the very Logic of truth revealed in the whole council of God’s revelation, that which is taught to the disciple by the spoken Rhema but is transforming as logic received as the truth of the world, then we are but seekers of falsehood, truly not his disciples, and in no wise set free from the bondage of sin so easy to beset even the most stout confession of mere words.

Go back to

Mat 4:1  Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Mat 4:2  And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
Mat 4:3  And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Mat 4:4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Jesus said quoting , Deut 8, let me read you the context of How the Lord Jesus rebukes the Devil by the Word of God:

Deu_8:1  All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers.
Deu 8:2  And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
Deu 8:3  And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Why is this so significant?
Because we see here the Word of God as nourishment that can abite the greatest trials and temptations.
Go back to John 6:

Joh 6:26  Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Joh 6:27  Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Joh 6:28  Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Joh 6:29  Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Joh 6:30  They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Joh 6:31  Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
Joh 6:32  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh 6:33  For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Joh 6:34  Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
Joh 6:35  And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:36  But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Joh 6:37  All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38  For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39  And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 6:40  And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

43…Murmur not among yourselves.
Joh 6:44  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45  It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh 6:47  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Joh 6:48  I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49  Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50  This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51  I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:52  The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
Joh 6:53  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Joh 6:54  Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57  As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58  This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Joh 6:59  These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
Joh 6:60  Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
Joh 6:61  When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Joh 6:62  What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Joh 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 6:64  But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Joh 6:65  And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh 6:66  From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Joh 6:67  Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Joh 6:68  Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Joh 6:69  And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
Joh 6:70  Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Joh 6:71  He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Luk_14:26  If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk_14:27  And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luk_14:33  So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

 

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About JS Lowther

Foremost I know that I am a chief sinner saved by Grace. I am a servant of YHWH Almighty the one true God Who is Father, Son and Spirit. I believe in God's only begotten and perfect Son Jesu(s) Christ whose redemption power of my soul I have Faith in and testify of. Having been redeemed by the blood of Christ, I wish to no longer spend my time in the lusts of the flesh and of this world, but to promote the Gospel of the Kingdom by means of the knowledge of the New Covenant, a reNewal of the Covenant God made with his people Israel in the blood of Christ (Jer 31:31 and Heb 8:8) whereby He writes His Law upon the Heart and Mind beside the forgiveness of sin and transgressions. I believe Christ Jesus is the incarnate Son of God as the WORD made flesh, and the son of man born of the virgin Mary conceived of the Holy Spirit: I believe Christ Jesus Lived a perfect life for us as a living sacrifice as well as a pattern of the Sanctified newness of life a believer has in Him, I believe Christ Jesus died a cursed death on the Cross for His people of Covenant who are sinners, and I believe in Christ Jesus who Resurrected with power from Death from the grave to Justify the offenders. This is the same Jesus who is indeed the Son of David and king of Israel, who is both LORD and Christ over all the kings and dominions of the earth! In the fullness of time YHWH will regather his people under the Head of the Church, Jesu(s) Christ to affect his will according to the Lord's prayer, Psalm 2, 8 and 110 as well as Genesis 1:26. The focus of my administration of the Gospel is like unto my Lord's who said "I have come not but for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.."(Mathew 15:24), and so I have come to my European kinsman according to the flesh. It is my mission to show the Israel of God the Salvation which is taught by Scripture Alone and offered in all ages by Grace Alone through Faith Alone in the work of Christ Alone to the Glory of GOD Alone. As a modern day Puritan separatist it is my goal to purify the church of Christ with Faith heretofore stated. I am studying to show my self approved, if you have any questions just ask!

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